Presence #14

…having taught us in this hour having made it manifested unto us and also Your Presence, we know therefore that this is going overtime and we are confident not in ourselves by any stretch of the imagination, but our confidence and hope is in Thee, Lord.

That You have looked upon us with favor and called us unto the Wedding Supper and, Lord, we believe that we’re a part of that by faith.

And because we have responded to a call of the Word which we know by vindication, the gathering together is through that Message at the end time. And we’re very pleased, Lord, to be a part, especially since it is of You, and it is all of You.

Now, help us tonight in the study of Your Word, we pray that the just causes to know the things that we ought to know, Lord, at this time, and there be those things we ought not to know, we know, Lord, that You’ll help us to just let them be until such an hour as we can get answers, or leave them until the time, maybe no time on this earth, but a time future.

But we commend ourselves to you at this moment, and these moments forward in Jesus’ Name we pray. Amen.

You may be seated.

[Brother Vayle makes announcements]

Don’t forget to continue praying for Brother Meyers. I haven’t been in touch for a little bit with them… which I intend to be but I haven’t gone down again. I don’t think the future is too bright for him from what I understand.

But God is able and that’s the main thing, you know healing doesn’t go by age, but then again you have to be certainly sort of infringing on grace, because we’re allowed seventy years.

I believe Brother Meyers is about seventy one I think, a little older now, but we can hold him up in prayer which we will and just believe the family will do right by him.

And by that I mean they’ll be guided in what steps to take concerning him. You know many times it’s difficult to do for people even your family.

There’s got to be, you know, a willingness to do certain things, and today so much is gone into drug therapy, operations, and I think statistics show that in the case of cancer you’re almost better off to just leave it alone and not try to fool with it when it’s a very extreme case.

Also when the doctors had their strike in California nobody died. That’s right. Nobody died. Doctors got back to work they dropped off like ten-pins. I’m not making that up, that’s an actual thing.

So, nothing against doctors, Brother Branham said, “They’re of God.” But you know… look everything’s of God. Everything’s got twins.

Oh listen, there’s those doctors that are of God, and those I’m not quite so sure of. I’m not saying doctors per se, that is a science of medicine and the goodness that can be done. Sure that’s of God, but Judas is right in there slugging too at the Lord’s Supper.

All right, we’ll look at some of these questions, if I can’t answer, I’ll just simply tell you.

[Question:] Brother Vayle, knowing by election only, is the Bride chosen to be Mrs. Jesus? Does the Bride continue to feel the turmoil within to be in more oneness with Him, and at the same time future more into that rest which is promised and is being fulfilled?

Well, you know Brother Branham said under the Seventh Seal there is relaxation. At the same time and that relaxation I read to you over here in 2 Thessalonians 1, wasn’t?

And you know that was true. Seven mighty messengers came, called ‘angel’ came right down here with a revelation revealing Him, Who is the Word, and so on.

And under that Seal, which is the Seventh Seal, Revelation 10:1-7, we come to a place of rest.

Now, it doesn’t mean that this is the rest that you get when you’re dead that Job spoke of. It’s not the kind of rest that’s going to make you more or less comatose, insensitive, or how would you put it, just not bother at all. We’re not saying that.

It’s a rest wherein you know the hour in which you live, and your call to the Wedding Supper. You see, you’ve got to have a place where you can put your trust. There’s got to be an absolute.

And when you put it in an absolute that’s when you sit down and sort of dig your heels in, if you’ve got it.

Now, Brother Branham said, “There’s an absolute and this is the absolute.”

So look, here’s what I think is coming. Brother Branham said just before the Resurrection, that real sweet Spirit that he saw on the other side of the ‘curtain of time’ would be in the Bride.

I believe I was privileged to see that in both brother and sister Branham before they passed on.

I believe that, “yes” there is coming that time when you’ll just be contented, there’ll be plenty of trouble, there will be plenty of unrest, but you will be literally more contented and it’s going to increase until that Spirit is here as the prophet said.

He said the same thing about the sweet spirit in the Church. When that vertical goes into the horizontal amongst the people and that coming togetherness is truly beyond family is something to God ward, because it’s from God and towards each other because it’s the same spirit.

You’ll see I believe before this Bride is taken away somewhere, somehow exactly what the prophet said.

Now, I believe myself that that which you’re talking about is increasing, and one day is going to be manifested perhaps not to the world, who cares?

No, I’m not worried about the world, but I mean, comes into manifestation for yourself, that you will be that living Word in that particular sense in the very near future, because you’ve already started. I feel myself, that it’s already started, and I believe it’s going to be accelerated.

[Question:] Now, it says,

When the Bride sees those resurrected Saints and the manifestation of the sons and daughters of God begins for so many ‘X’ number of days, or so long, will the foolish virgin notice the change in her at that time, or will it take the Rapture?

Well, now the best I can answer this is, would be a little contrary to my own thinking to go right back to Brother Branham. According to the most definitive statement that I know about our relationship to the dead who are risen as concerning time is that, it’s almost instant.

Personally, I would want to believe from many things that Brother Branham said, and thereby draw a conclusion that it will be a period of time after we see them and consort with them, that we would be changed. But he didn’t say that.

Now, the most definitive statement I recall and I can’t tell you where it is, because I’ve got a poor memory, is one that just sort of tore up by the roots what I had in mind, and would think he put it, just as a matter and not even days, it’s almost instantaneous.

And I don’t know that anyone will even notice that change for this reason. Brother Branham categorically stated, “That the living Bride that’s changed will be taken, a few at intervals so that they’re not even noticed.”

I would say what you’re looking at is a statement that Brother Branham made concerning this whole time period in which we are dwelling in and looking at, that they’re going to say, when the Rapture is over and the tribulation sets in, “Hey, wasn’t this to happen?” Done already happened and you already missed it.

Now, that’s the best I can answer your question.

All right.

[Question:] Will you briefly go over the present relationship…? Well, I’ll put that to one side, because I’m going to read on that one.

[Question:] As we ripen in the Presence of God, we are to become more and more passive and let Him have preeminence. All right, that’s partially true. The Word also states we are to act upon the Word in accordance with the Word. How are these two thoughts correlated?

Well, first of all, my thinking on your first sentence is this: that there is no way that you can give Him preeminence in this hour by anything that you can produce in your life.

For Brother Branham said, “The great thing coming is not character, it is not fruit, it is not getting nearer to God, it is not a great ministry.”

Well, what is it? It’s something wherein God Himself must be doing something. And He is by His Presence as I think we’re seeing Sunday morning’s quite accurately in the Word of God. And I would suggest the first place that you would give Him preeminence in this hour.

Now, if you want to go back to Pentecost, which I don’t mean you want to go back, see, but if you want to go back in your thinking, and you want to go back to Luther, and you want to go back to Wesley; and you want to leave this hour, then of course it would be a matter of passivity, but that’s not true.

It’s a matter of activated knowledge of His Presence. And when I say activated knowledge I mean that you are learning from the mechanics of the Word of this hour why He is Present, what He is Present to do, and what He is doing.

Because remember, the prophet said, Matthew 24:27, “In the evening time it shall be light.”

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[92]  That’s when comes Christ the Holy Spirit. Jesus comes down and sets Himself at the head of the Church. Then He will resurrect the Church being His Own body.”

Now remember, what I read to you,

So, if you were to have a preeminence, which you would in your conduct, by a greater passivity because that would be incumbent in this age you’d blow it, in my understanding.

You give Him preeminence first of all by knowing that He is here, testifying to the reality of it, and staying in His Presence by virtue of realizing that He is here.

Let me go back to the Book of Malachi,

Now here is what’s happening at this time through the giving of the preeminence which is the Christ the Word. Knowing His Name, knowing the Word.

Now remember, when man got to the place where he knew… good from evil, he got himself in a bind, because it wasn’t too far down the road that he began calling everything good. Whatever entered his mind.

The Bible mentions the end-time that men would call anything good they wanted to call good. But the people that are turned back to this Message are the only ones that really understand righteousness from wickedness.

Or how come in Pentecost they cut their hair and wear slacks and shorts, and women preachers and everything else? See? Have television sets. All those things that are way out there in a never-never land for Christians.

Then It says,

Now let’s look at this. Now at the end-time you are going to have those two spirits so perfectly close and Satan’s ministers so close.

Then unless you’re in this image you won’t know who is a false prophet, or a false shepherd, or a false apostle, or a false evangelist, or any false at all. You’ve got to be in this Message.

Now I guess I could say some things here so to blow your cool. And I’ll say them anyway. Some people don’t like the way I set myself up as a judge. I have never set myself up as a judge, but I’ve got a Word here.

And if anybody here thinks I’m going to be stupid enough to sit back while you play footsie with the old gang, you just might as well wash me off your books tonight. Forget it, because I’m telling you flat where I stand.

I’m not here to judge people, but I’m going to tell you something, this Word does either what It says, or throw It in the gutter, get out of here. Let’s just call the whole thing for grabs. Just get out of here!

Shucks, I could have a better time in my flesh. Not since I’ve been born again. For I’m talking now about now let’s get out of here and forget there’s a God or anything else, we’re at the end-time here.

Now you see, I’m not looking at a passivity the way maybe this question is made. Maybe I’m judging your question wrong, if I do forgive me, I’m doing my best to answer.

Brother Branham made the same kind of mistakes. But I’m doing my best to go down the line. There a passivity involved, but it’s not the passivity that people think it is. It’s not a passivity actually, it’s an actual rest in here, and we are giving Him the preeminence.

The Word also states we’re to act upon the Word in accordance with the Word. Always the Word within the framework of the Word.

That’s true, but we will be in the place and I believe this with all my heart that there is a Bride who will know when God speaks to Her as individuals, and that person will just flow with It.

Now, I think the question here is looking a little harder to you than what I’ve been presenting these answers when I first started with subjection in 1 Corinthians 15, and I won’t read the whole thing. I just want to get to that little portion here.

Now listen, you think for one minute that this is something going on, where Jesus now is subject, He’s going to try to work something out? It’s not that at all!

It’s since He has accomplished the work, and we’re right to the place of the Resurrection. He’s bringing everything in subjection, which means a divine order.

And I don’t see God squeezing anybody’s neck. And I don’t see anybody squeezing their heart, I see a life that is here present. And we are now into the divine flow. Like, look it… my hand is subject to my head.

And my head says, “Hand, I want you to pick up the paper.”

The hand says, “Shut up. I’m a rebellious hand. I only pick that paper up, bless God, if I feel like picking that paper up.” “I’ve got to get myself under control of you.”  Hogwash!

Now, that’s what I’m talking about in this subjection I’m looking at. The life is here. I don’t know if I’ve got that quote here or not… Trying to get the right one for you, because it’s better if I do. Here it is here.

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[36]  That Life is present [here] tonight. That’s right. The Holy Spirit is here, [It] is Christ in Spirit form; His Spirit, the anointing is here.

Now, what I’m looking at is this: I got a spirit in me and that spirit is life, and it just sort of works with my mind and my body responds because of a life. That’s what I believe is here tonight.

Now I could be teaching this wrong, I’m telling you what I believe. See? Because I don’t believe there’s one thing one of us can do about what is in the making as of this hour.

There’s not one of us that was responsible for our birth. There is not one of us responsible for anything whatsoever, it is a sovereign thing. So, I’m looking at a sovereign picture here. See?

Now, so therefore when we… at this end-time, and this is happening now and will continue to happen where people are lead of the Lord in just a beautiful quiet harmony, and they have the Word of the Lord and they know what to do about it.

It will always coincide with the Word here, and they’ll just simply go about it because you see, in my understanding it is God now bringing everything under Him.

And that subjection is not a throttling idea, nor a maneuver of suppression. To me it’s not. Now I say I could be wrong, but I don’t believe it. I believe it’s something that God is doing and will continue to do, that by His life in the Bride.

[Question:] Would you review Ephesians 1:11,14, compared to 15 and 17 regarding the Holy Ghost that’s given as a guarantee versus that which is permanent?

Now, Brother Branham said that, he said, “It’s temporary,” right? In the ‘Token’. Okay, we go to Ephesians 1, and in there you’ll notice that he is talking to those that he baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They are full of the Holy Ghost, because the Bible said so. Acts 19, says, “They were all filled with the Holy Ghost and spake with other tongues and prophesied.” Right? Okay, that’s Acts 19:6, there’s nobody that can deny that, they’re full of the Holy ghost.

All right, now those folks full of the Holy Ghost, the Ephesian Church, Paul says here,

Now, first of all I want you to know that Paul is speaking to them in the light of the present tense of the Word that he was looking forward to, and believing with them for the literal presence of Jesus, the Resurrection and the Rapture.

So don’t you go looking down the road on this one. You have to look at the road alright, but he wasn’t putting it that way. Remember the Bible’s written for this hour.

Okay,

Now, I’m even going to go farther here, I’m going to tell you what the prophet said. He said, “There’s coming a day when the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the world.” And you know what that means.

That doesn’t mean His Presence, the One that’s standing here now. He’s going to be taken out of the world per se, that nobody else can possibly be baptized with the Holy Ghost in the Gentile church.

Now remember, the Jews get Him under the Sixth Seal. Under the Seventh Trumpet they’re going to be fine. Same Message, no problem. But, that Spirit is taken out, and that’s the time he said the Bride preaches the gospel to the total lost.

There won’t be one person brought in, even Billy Graham understands this. “Why,” he said, “if the Spirit of God were taken away today, then have altar calls and come to the altar repenting thinking they are getting right with God.” Billy Graham understands that. Certainly he should.

All right now, this is temporary, and when the Resurrection occurs, you see? there’s no need for the Holy Spirit to come in. It’s all over.

Now, over here, you are looking at that which is entirely different. For these are already filled with the Holy Ghost, which is a seal unto the day of redemption.

Now he says,

Now, Brother Branham categorically said, “The Spirit of wisdom comes into the Church to make known to the Church by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, bringing the Church in and revealing what day we’re living in. Just the same as Gabriel came to Daniel. The Holy Spirit comes to the Church in the last day to reveal these great deep secret things.”

Now, he never came that way in the first. He divided Himself amongst the people at the first, the Logos came. But at the end-time He comes… The one I want here is where the Holy Spirit comes up through the Church.

And I don’t know that I over used that actually in the pulpit here with this series as many times as I could have and should have.

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[66]  … And today He’s standing among us in the Person of the Holy Ghost, manifesting [Himself] more and more, coming into His church, making [Himself] known;…

Now, the quote I want goes with that beautifully, because he said, “He comes up through the Church to Headship.”

And that’s what I’m trying to find over here, and… trouble is I work back and forth with different books at home, and I can’t find it for you.

But I think perhaps you remember the quote, how that He comes up through the Church and Brother Branham takes you to the fourth age where the Church was all but buried and dead.

Then under five it starts coming back under Luther with justification, Wesley under sanctification, restoration of gifts and baptism of the Holy Ghost under the Pentecostals, and now all in all when the complete Word of God is come, and He comes up Brother Branham said to Headship.

Now, I say this is where so many churches have made a mistake, and there again you see, I say, I hope by now you’re so used to me you’ll forgive me for my stupidity. But I call names, names.

New York is in this. New York says the Capstone hasn’t come. I challenge New York, the Capstone has come. Not the literal flesh and bone resurrected Jesus, but the Capstone, the Headstone which the term in English is ‘leadership’.

Now, It’s come up, you see, starting with justification. Like this Message that Brother Branham preached is the same message Luther preached.

But as Luther preached more than the Romans and whatsoever, and as Wesley more than Luther, and Pentecost more than Wesley, this Message finishes it.

So He’s come up clothed in the Word, the measure of the Holy Spirit in the Word for every hour, He’s now in a Headship.

“That which is perfect has come.” So here we are then at this very end time.

Now, we are in this particular period here of Ephesians and that’s per spirit is what Brother Branham was talking about.

And he said, “As Gabriel came to Daniel.” That’s an individual coming to a prophet. Now that’s Revelation 10:1-7.

So now, where your question is: “The Holy Spirit is given as a guarantee versus that which is permanent.”

Well listen, when you’re in the Resurrection you tell me what’s impermanent? Nothing. It’s impermanent until the Resurrection. When you make the Resurrection there’s nothing that isn’t permanent. See?

Because you’ve entered into His Own status. Oh my, my, I’m going to tell you something, if you can bounce Jesus around like a ball, He ain’t the same Jesus I know. No way.

This One is getting everything under His feet, and it’s clinching it, and it’s clinching it, and it’s clinching it, and it’s clinching it. Remember how it is, that Satan attacks the holy encampment, fire comes down and just blasts them. See?

So, what you’ve got here, put it this way, it’s not temporary as compared to permanent so that, oh my, these people don’t really have the real McCoy.

Now see, that’s where this Message went plumb off haywire. That’s why you’ve got people in Ohio here preaching a kind of junk they’re preaching, because it started as soon as Brother Branham died.

“Oh you don’t have the real Holy Ghost.” Hogwash! If you don’t have the real Holy Ghost you’re not born again, you better get Him. See? That’s,

And that’s the sealing to the Resurrection. So you don’t say, “Hey, this is something here that is impermanent.” No! What you see is this: something greater based upon, see, and necessary then what you formally had is here now to take you over.

I’m going to tell you one thing. If you’re not filled with the Holy Ghost per se, born again as this verse here, 13 and 14 tells you, His Presence doesn’t mean that.

So, don’t ever think here now, like some are thinking, hey permanent, impermanent, not so hot, wonderful. Uh, uh. The Father that sired the children is here with the children and you can’t beat that. You see?

And He’s going to take us over. And what we’re into now to the last Elected will not end in a death and resurrection, but taken right into immortality.

So you see, when you talk about permanency, you only do so on the ground that you’re cutting one thing off. Say, “Hey, nobody else will be filled with the Holy Ghost pretty soon, but those filled, because He’s here, go on into the eternities.”

I hope that helps you there. Okay.

[Question:] Does chapter 5 of Jeremiah have implications to this day?

All I could bet you almost anything it does without even going back to It. Because you see, I’m a little different kind of a bird about the Bible.

You see, I believe that that the Gentiles after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ are cut into everything that’s in this Scripture in Its own order. And many people just want to give the Jews everything.

Let me illustrate to you while you hold your finger there. Isn’t it true that when you get over here in 1 Corinthians 15:54-55, “This corruptibility must put on incorruptibility, and this mortal put on immortality.

And then It says here, “Death where is thy sting, oh grave, where is thy victory?”

Now, I think It’s over here in the Book of Hosea isn’t? Let’s just go back and check It out if that’s in Hosea 13.

And It says here,

Now if I was one of these freewheeling spiritual defuncts… that’s about as kind as I can get it this time, I would just say, “Haa-phtt, Paul made a mistake.”

Ain’t that funny how they don’t dare say, “Paul made a mistake.” But you try, where prophet of God like William Branham go to the Old Testament here and lay it on the line. “Ah, that’s for the Jews, that’s for the Jews.”

Well phtt, somebody’s crazy. See, somebody’s crazy. Listen, you can’t trust anybody outside this Message so don’t fool with them. Don’t let them fool, don’t waste your time. Haven’t got time anyway to waste.

Jeremiah 5:

They say, “The Lord liveth,” but does he live amongst us? “Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that’s Jehovah Witness stuff.”

Ah, why don’t we just give the Bible back to the devil then? There isn’t one thing that he hasn’t messed up yet. If I got to worry about Jehovah Witness that they said something, I might give them to give the Bible to the devil.

Say, “Here devil, you’ve got it all.” Phtt, have it. Yep. People, listen, you can’t fool with people. Don’t fool with them. Be nice, but that’s the end of it.

Brother Branham’s own ministry, “Why,” he said, “I’ve held your nose and tried to force the medicine down. Every year I come back your hair is short, and you’re still wearing slacks.”

Said, “Ha, ha, ha, ha,” they cackled the women did. Honest to goodness, I could have crawled under the table. I was so embarrassed at that bunch of cackling hens there, and they’re no eagles. Better believe they weren’t. I didn’t care.

You don’t think this Message is going to be the cause of devouring? Absolutely It’s going to devour them. See? Right on down the line. Yep.

You can take… and listen, let’s get this understood. I tried to show you recently how that the whole Bible, the Old Testament particularly runs in a parallel.

And in one verse It’ll be screaming a blessing, the next mouth, the next phrase It’s screaming a cursing, because there’s a parallel the two vines, the twins. There’s always twins.

People say they believe this Message don’t understand twins. They mouth the prophet. You can mouth the prophet and go to hell mouthing the prophet. Do you know what he said?

Now if he said, “There’s twins,” there’s twins.

Some people get very angry at me, because I say, Matthew 24:27, where Brother Branham uses the word ‘carcass’ . That word in the Greek is ‘carrion’. It’s ‘toma’. It’s over there in Luke 17 that it’s soma. And the word in the Greek is ‘buzzard’. And the other word is ‘eagle’.

Let me ask you a question: If there’s supposed to be twins, then there’s got to be a false eagle and a true eagle. Now if a prophet especially is an eagle, you tell me there aren’t false eagles? Matthew 23 says so.

There’s a lot of people doesn’t understand, they don’t want to understand, because they want a lot of preeminence.

And they think preeminence, “Oh I knew the prophet. I slept with the prophet. I ate with the prophet, he called me Timothy.” Fap, there’s a dozen guys he called Timothy. So you mean Timothy from Timbuktu for all I know too.

Come on, come on what is this nonsense going around here? There’s no preeminence to us here. Anybody thinks he’s got something on the ball, I’ve got news for you, you’ve done missed it.

You ain’t going to make no Rapture, you’re not going to make the Resurrection, you’re too puffed up to get there. Now, I talk tough, I’m sorry, I’m going to have to have to answer for what I preach.

But I’ll tell you one thing, my preaching tough will do you ten million times more good than me preaching soft and giving you bad ideas. I would sooner give you a far-out tough idea to hold you down, then something to turn you loose.

There’s a lot of conked up ideas. Sure you can take that day run in parallel, because there’s twins there.

And remember, the Gentiles are here also. How in the world can you have… just chapter after chapter in the Old Testament disregard the Gentiles? There’s no way you can do it.

But you’d have to know what way it is talking and on what grounds. And since everybody’s messed up on the present situation but us, most people say:

“Hey, well look it, Israel is a nice little nation and everybody is going to come against her, but then there will be those who won’t come against her. Then you see, Matthew 25 then becomes the judgment of nations whereby they are going to go the Millennium, because they were nice to the Jews. And then when you’re nice to the Jews you walk in there and you breed children, and because you rule with a rod of iron, that’s what Jesus’ is supposed to do, they get to hate Him because they’re born in sin.”

That’s a lot of hogwash! That’s not what the prophet taught.

Matthew 25 is the great White Throne, the ruling out with “the rod of iron and breaking in shivers,” is at Armageddon the end of Armageddon when He comes and subdues the whole thing, and the Bride comes down with Him. See? They’re all messed up in their thinking.

Now, when you understand what the prophet taught you can go to the Old Testament, and you can say, “Hey, look what’s for our day here. Look at what he’s saying here.” See?

Like this Scripture here in,

Listen, anything brother/sister that refers to the end-time is our day. And I don’t care if a specific for Israel or not, there’s this thing about it has an influence on it. We’re to watch.

Now, everybody is running around, the fundamentalist are saying, “Hey, Oh Israel we love Israel, bless God and the friends of Israel are going to go into the Millennium.”

Brother Branham says, “We’re going to turn on Israel.”

So, how many of us are going to go with the Millennium on that ground? Oh thank you Jesus, I’m not even interested in going that way. No way, shape or form.

Okay, absolutely, read it with insight, don’t try to set doctrine. Just remember the doctrine the prophet taught you and just stay with it. Some of these are pretty long. Okay.

[Question:] Please explain 1 Corinthians 15:19. “If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.”

That’s exactly what Paul believed. He said, “If there isn’t any Resurrection, forget it.” He said, “I’ve been just sold a bill of goods, I’m more miserable than ever.”

Why they just go out there and carouse and cut-a-rug, or do anything under high heaven, sell myself down the road, but be happy, happy, happy, because that’s all there is. No way.

No way, there is a Resurrection, and believe me brother/sister I don’t care anymore what anybody says, the Resurrection is that first-fruit, that’s really the first of everything that’s really good that’s coming up.

Because today we have this treasure in an earthen vessel, and the vessel stinks.

I tell you, Brother Evans can sure tell you about good coffee in a thermos that had poison in it, that’s what we’re talking about. He’s never touched coffee since I guess. Well, good for you son.

[Question:] Brother Vayle, could you explain, or a least share what the Lord has given you on these Scriptures? “If the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do?”

Well, that’s absolutely true. If the foundation was ever destroyed let me put it this way, there’s nobody going to be ever part of the temple. Because every living person is a pillar in the temple of God and that’s part of the foundation. There’s no way, and that’s right.

And remember, the foundation is the revelation, and when revelation goes by the board it’s all over. See? We’ve been so full of our creeds and dogmas that we call ‘the wicked righteous’, and we call ‘good evil’. Why Brother Branham came on the scene, “Why he’s an evil man.” (Phewt!)

Why a fellow went to a Full Gospel meeting, and I think it’s the same fellow that I saw his ad’s in Florida years ago, down in Miami. What’s his name? It doesn’t matter, I’ll remember his name later on and tell you.

He’s in this meeting, he’s a spiritist, and he comes to the business meeting and he said, “Oh, thank God,” he said, “I’m so glad, he said, to listen to you folk and learn what you’ve got to say, because I’ve had the spirit all along and been using it in the wrong way.”

He couldn’t tell the difference between God and the devil. Don’t feel bad, there’s a lot of people in the same boat. Foundation’s gone brother/sister, the whole thing’s messed up.

What about the foundation of gifts in the little room? If you haven’t got someone to discern spirits, keep out. They were having a big brouhaha in Brother Guy’s church.

Some of the folk desperately ill, fussing at him, because he wasn’t having gifts the way another brother was having them.

So I got in the pulpit that night and I said, “I’m going to ask you something.” I said, “Didn’t Brother Branham say that you operated the gift of healing in him?” I said, “Now don’t mistake this, this is not discernment. Nobody operated that gift, just God.”

The prophet stands every night and say at the end of the meeting, he said, “Now I don’t if you come, I’ll ask Him to come.” He said, “He’s here.”

And he took every spirit in his control for the glory of God in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, you couldn’t hide if you tried, and he discerned, he discerned.

You didn’t have a thing to do with that. You could have tried to shoot him with a cannon, a howitzer, anything else, you couldn’t have done a thing. No way!

He’d expose you sitting there. If there’s five million sitting there, he’d expose every one, one at a time. But the gift of healing, you operate it.

Now, what if there’s a gift of healing here tonight and you couldn’t operate it if I have it, and you couldn’t operate it to me, where are you? Set your church in order, what happens?

People get sick right there, they get mad, they get upset, they get angry, they pull away, they do all kinds of funny things. Let them go, pray for them. See.

The foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Could you tell me what he can do?

That’s why God laid foundations every age He’s laid a foundation and at the end-time He’s repeated the whole thing with the revelation of the original sowing the seed of the entire Bible from the serpent to the prophet in the former-rain.

Boy you get nowhere without that foundation. What’s the foundation today? The foundation of cardinal doctrine today, that “Jesus Christ is here.”

Let me read it to you. I like his words better than mine, because I just paraphrase or I’d do something. Better get it so I can do what’s right.

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[35]  Now watch where the gates of hell is against. [It doesn’t say what, it says where, pinpointing today,] It’s [not] against denomination. [Then he comes on down.] But that’s not what the gates of hell is against.

Notice, he puts what now.

It is the spiritual revelation of Christ being here now, [and] the same yesterday, today, and forever. That’s what it’s against. “The gates of hell shall be against it, but it shall never prevail.”

“Upon this will I build my church.” There’s your foundation. What will Peter have done, the righteous Peter in the election if God had not revealed it to Him?

What would the great Paul have done without a revelation? Couldn’t of got off the ground.

Romans 11:

Well, that just tells you the Gentiles… when the Gentiles peter out, God turns back to the Jews, and then of course here, if the diminishing of them be the riches.

In other words, when God had to blind them so the Gentiles could receive Christ and come into the Bride and be a part of Them, how much more their fullness?

In other words, there cannot be a Resurrection and a Millennium and the whole thing unless God stands here to turn right back to Israel. And you know what happened when He turns back to Israel and the last 144,000 sealed?

And the last 144,000 dies and becomes the first-fruit, or is like us is changed and we’re right back here in the earth. and He said if that didn’t happen there’d be nothing, just nothing would happen. It would just blow up, the whole thing would vanish.

So therefore, when you see God turn to Israel, and Israel comes in, then it becomes explosive in a magnitude of the grace and goodness of God that things begin to transpire that you and I would never have dreamed possible. Great things are coming.

All right.

[Question:] In 1 Thessalonians 4:16, we know the Lord is descending, in descending accomplishes all three. With the Shout, Voice of the Archangel, Trump of God.

Brother Branham said, “Jesus does all three in descending period.” Good. God has always used prophets for His Word, used our prophet to bring the Shout. He has used prophets to bring forth the dead.

He sure has, but that is a manifestation to vindicate the prophet. Will he use a man’s voice to raise the dead? Brother Branham did not say so.

He categorically said, “It was the Voice of Jesus that raised Lazarus.”

And he said, “It would be the same thing.”

And remember, Jesus is the Archangel, because He is the Chief Messenger. Brother Branham brought that out from Malachi when he spoke about the Messenger of the covenant.

[Question] Two: Will the living Bride hear the Voice of the Archangel?

That’s a good question. I don’t know, but I think they will, because they are sure going to feel it. That’s a good thought, “Will the living Bride hear the Voice of the Archangel?” Well even… the Bible said the dead will.

You know I believe how the dead are going to hear the Voice, I don’t believe it’s a matter of a dead body hearing It.

I believe when He is going to appear to all those theophany’s and if He comes down, that is the actual Person, the man, those bodies will come on down and pick up their bodies out of the dirt; out of the earth.

I tell you what, It could be that we’re hearing the Voice of the Archangel right now, because It’s the same Person.

See, here’s a thought which has been used today. “Many people put Brother Branham in such a great position, which I’m all for him having the greatest position possible, that he spoke the Word that’s going to bring him out of the grave, then he is going to bring us out of the grave.”

Brother Branham did not say that. No, actually he said that “Jesus would do it.” And he was identifying Jesus with the Name of God.

For It says here, “Every man in his own order, Christ the first-fruits ; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.” His Appearing, that is His Parousia, His Presence. And Who is it that raises the dead? God raises the dead.

So, this is the Spirit that has come down with the Message. The Spirit the same One, an Archangel the same One, the Trump of God, the Word of God. That’s about the best I know of.

I think Brother Branham in the ‘Rapture’ pretty well covered that to an extent that I maybe don’t need to even look at it too much. All right.

[Question:] Is there any correlation between the seven angels of Revelation 15,16,17 with those of 1 and 20?

Well, the possibility there especially on one, but my memory might be too, too plugged up at this time to know. There’s one thing I’m thinking of here, but it doesn’t gel for this second.

Well 14 is not it, you’re not 15 the seven vials. Well, we’ve got the tape, we’d have to read it and go into a lot of reading on that. The seven angels of 15,16,17.

You noticed he said, “When thy judgments are made manifest.” That would be actually proven as Who did that judging.

And I’m looking at here what he saw down the road from what was going on under that Sixth Seal, because you’re under the vial. See, this vial comes under the Trumpets of the Sixth Seal.

Now which beast would that of been? See, would that be the ‘face of the man’, or that be the ‘eagle’? The only one that could be is eagle, because he’s the only one around at that time.

Now, you know that looks to me that’s great tribulation where there’s nothing going on, on earth. Nobody’s getting saved period. Period. No way. See, it’s all over.

Revelation 16:

You see, that could hit all the churches, the church is being purged there too. It doesn’t sound like there’s too much of Israel getting clobbered at this point, to really hit.

This is the… upon the church being… See, there’s three things that are going to happen there. The church gets purified, Israel gets purified, and the earth gets purified. See, judgment striking.

That’s a strange thing. And “blasphemed the Name of God which has power over these plagues.” Now even the angel’s got power over the plagues that says the Name of God.

Could be that the Name of God they refused though. See, they went to Trinitarianism. You know they went to titles. This could be the wrath of God because of titles.

You know there’s something here that I want you to notice in this entire Scripture. They are aware who’s doing it. See?

Now, where did that start? You don’t think it just suddenly started there? It started way back here. You don’t get judged down the road, you got to be doing something while you’re going down the road. See?

While the kings of the north, that’s Russia, one of the kings of the east that represents India and China and so on, I don’t know.

Now, you see, you’re into history and present tense, for over here in the first part of chapter 15, you’re looking in the future. See?

See, we’ve got a prelude of that, a taste of that you see? For up in Alaska which showed what could happen. Now it didn’t happen, see? it just cracked plumb around the world showing what can happen, indicating what will happen.

Now nobody paid any attention. Even Billy Graham was shook up. I talk about Billy Graham, because he’s one of the witnesses, got to talk about. Nice man though.

Brother Branham had great respect for him and said he would make out alright. I feel confident that Brother Branham knew what he’s saying there. This will come about just right. The Voice and Thunders and so on.

Then you’re into,

Well now, the question comes up: Could these be? Let us say this: I don’t know that it is. But it could be that these are the counterparts, the same ones that came to Brother Branham, because he mentions that.

Not that he mentions what I’m talking about. He mentions the counterparts. Those mighty Messengers coming, embodiments of the Holy Spirit. It could be.

This is definitely more to do with the church. In fact it is. Doesn’t even talk about Israel. They’re being purged too, but this is the church being hit. The Gentiles. I can’t go beyond that.

Two: [Question:] We believe that Revelation 1 through 3 represents the Bride in that from chapter 4 through 18 and 19, speaks of what takes place in earth after John had taken away Revelation 4:1.

Like Brother Branham said, “You’re the Bride’s gone up.” He kept the …?… Yet Revelation 7 speaks to the great multitude with robes, are these Bride?

Well, it wouldn’t matter because Scripture skips back and forth with interpolation. And you’re not looking at anything chronological here.

See, this is the great trouble that you’ve got to watch. And not being a prophet, I couldn’t do too much for you there.

All right. You’re looking at,

Now, the question here is: Are these Bride? No, not all Bride. Now you’ve got a funny thing here, I don’t remember what Brother Branham said.

I think he said, “These are they that came out of great tribulation.” I think he pinned that down as the great tribulation.

I just want to show you something in Revelation 20:4, what gives me pause for thought, I mean I’ve got to just watch myself here; where he said here:

He said, “That was all through ages that group there, they had not taken the mark.” Because remember, antichrist comes under the First Seal. You see, the Spirit of God was released, the spirit of the devil was released too, antichrist.

So, I’m just drawing you’re attention that I couldn’t give you a perfect answer here, but I do recall the best I recall that Brother Branham said that those were the ones that came out of great tribulation. But here’s what I’m looking at.

What I’m looking at is this: The Bride sits in the Throne with the Lamb. See, not before. Remember, Brother Branham also mentioned those that were given robes; Bride’s got hers. So, I would say this is a conglomerate there.

[Question:] All through Revelation 10:1-7 is a fulfillment and breaking of the Seals to the Bride. It would seem that this portion applies. It would seem that this portion applies to the Bride.

Yes, it does apply to the Bride, but it applies to the church also that they just smarten up. And Brother Branham said, “When the church system begins to take this Message they’re going to be too late.”

So therefore I believe the Bride will have been gone, and some will say, “Wasn’t this it? And wasn’t that it.” They’ll say, “Hey, there was a prophet who told us.”

Then they could turn. This could be where the antichrist will come against the remnant as seed of the woman to destroy. Absolutely, you know, the church. There’ll be a very bad situation.

Okay, here’s some Scripture, then a question.

[Question:] From the above, could one conclude that the physical manifestation of God in the flesh. Whereas in the past, through the Old Testament, and in fullness through Jesus Christ, and now through the born-again Bride, the living breathing Bride had any given time especially now with the actual manifestation of God?

Yes, because he said, “The Bride is even the very Blood of God.” Because the Life is in the Blood.

Yeah, there’s quotes on that. I don’t have them present with me. But let’s face it, your Bible brings out very, very definitively that the Body, the Bride is the Body of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And therefore, also we are the temple of the Holy Ghost as a collective organ, or organism or whatever you want to call it, because it’s a one unity. And I would say that definitely that this is what you’re looking at.

See, Brother Branham also made a statement there, when you put the two together… Oh, that brings the entire fullness of the Godhead bodily among you.

This is where Brother Branham preached, ‘God’s Only Provided Place’. I don’t have the page on that. But I do not concede myself that Brother Branham is saying, “I am the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

I believe what he is saying that the Body has come up until It is now complete. And you are seeing through the ministry, and That which is Here the fullness once more in human flesh. I’m looking at that particular thought rather than another.

All right, now the one that we reserved… and we’re getting good. We’re just going to get through nice.

[Question:] Would you briefly go over the present relationship between the Logos, the Father and the Son? With God is the Logos here, the Son on the Throne, what is the position of God as the Father?

Well, let’s just go and find out. Let’s just read a little bit here. (Question 291)

[Question and Answers 08-23-64]

[48]  Some say that Brother Branham is the Son of man. I thought the Pillar of Fire [was] the Son of man. Am I mistaken? Well that’s a good question, very good. But I am not the Son of man, but a son of man.

There’s quite a difference. Jesus Christ was the Son of man, the Son of God, the Son of man, [he said it twice] the Son of David.

Now, the reason that question probably was asked this person or been said, because people regard me as a seer, which I have never… I’ve got a question in here just blasting me on that. See? But…

When I read these questions you’ll see why I answer things the way I do. Until I am definitely led to do something then [I’ll just] say what I must say. But that hour hasn’t arrived.

Now, this is in ’64 of August, but in ’64 of November he admitted to that he was Elijah in the New York church, and that was a most mixed up meeting when he preached “Once More’. Is it Once More, or Once More Lord? He admitted it that he was.

A Jewish lady sat there by the name of Sis. Byron, she had turned from Judaism to Christian Science, and had then gotten into looking at the gospel and she was sitting in the building that night.

And she said to herself, “That has got to be Elijah the prophet.” And that’s when he declared himself. Very fine little lady. I don’t know if she’s living or not anymore, she’s very elderly when I knew her many years ago.

So I am not the anointed Son of man. I don’t claim to be His prophet. Many times I’ve said it when I didn’t think I said it, catch myself on the tape. But I say that sometimes, because if you want to give it in [a] term, a “prophet” is in the English term is merely “a preacher.”

Now, he did a good job at double talk. He told them just what they wanted to hear, and they didn’t hear what he said.

Anybody knows that; get the dictionary. See? A “prophet’ is “a preacher” under the English dictionary. But under the Hebrew or the Greek, a prophet is “a seer, one who foresees things and foretells things.” But under the English interpretation, a prophet is “a seer.”

He meant really a prophet is just a preacher.

[49]  So I don’t want to call myself anything but your brother. I am your brother, and you just regard me as Brother Bill, or Brother Branham, or whatever you want to do about that. That’s fine. [Anyway but] what you believe, keep that to yourself. See?

And now, what was that other question? I get so wound up in these, I forget what they were. “Was I the Son of man? Here it is I believe. “…the Son of man or was the Pillar of Fire the Son of man?” No. The Pillar of Fire is the Anointing.

The Pillar of Fire… Now, this may go a little deep unless it’s some of you theologians, probably [some] Brother’s here, and some of these ministers here from Arkansas, and the–my good friends around, they’d probably know.

Now, that Pillar of Fire is the Logos that went out of God, [Now listen,] the Logos, which is actually the attribute of the Fullness of God. When God become into a form to where It could be seen, It was the anointing of the great Spirit that went forth, Its condescending, coming down, God, the Father, the Logos that was up over Israel, that…

[50]  He was holy, could not bear sin. There had to be a blood offering right in Eden. Then that Logos become flesh and dwelt among us; and where this Logos dwelt in a human body, which was the Sacrifice…

When man was made in the image of God… And then God came down in the image of man to redeem man; that brought man and God together.

Heavens and earth hugged and kissed each other; God and man embraced each other as Fatherhood and Sonship when the Logos became flesh and dwelled among us.

Jesus said, “I came from God, and I go to God.” Is that right? After His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension, when the body was taken up to set at the right hand of God… Now, I don’t mean God’s got a right hand; God’s a spirit.

But at the “right hand” means “in power and authority of God.” That in that Name everything in heaven is named after It and subject to It. Everything in earth is named after It and subject to It, a Name above all names, Jesus Christ.

You see why I’m preaching the way I preach Sunday morning?

Now, this Logos that was in Him, which was the Spirit of God, the Anointing, through the sanctifying grace of the Blood, brought many sons to God, which is anointed with this same Logos.

Now, you’ve got to take that to Pentecost.

[ 51]  Now, on the day of Pentecost It come down, that Pillar of Fire, and broke apart like that, and tongues of fire set upon each of them, not their tongues, but tongues of fire set upon each of them, an elected, selected group, identified by this Pillar of Fire, showing that God had separated Himself into man. Do you get it?

God, the Logos, separating Himself into men; God, not in one person, He’s in His Church universal. That’s the reason Jesus said, “The works that I do shall you also, more…” Now, I know the King James says, “greater,” but the right translation there is “more than this shall you do.”

God was bottled and confined in one Man, Jesus Christ. But now He’s bottled and confined in the whole universal Church of the living God. [That would be the Bride, see.]

Right now, while God is here speaking with us in our hearts, He’s in Africa; He’s in Asia; He’s in Europe; He’s in England. Wherever believers are gathered together, there He is in the midst of them.

Now, after His death, burial, and ascension, and the coming of the Holy Ghost, Paul on his road down–which was Saul–to Damascus, he was struck down by a Pillar of Fire, the Logos.

And that Jew would’ve never called that Pillar of Fire, “Lord,” unless he knew It was the same Logos that his people followed through the wilderness. See? Now, that was not the Son of man; that was the Logos.

Now, see remember, this is a lot like in Melchisedec. See, he said, “Jesus was not Melchisedec, because He had father and mother.” Turns right around and says, “He was.”

But you see what you’re doing, you’re looking at the mighty God revealed which is mask’s. The changing of the mask, the changing of the temple. The changing of the creature form.

Now here’s what theologians call it, “the creature form that God must use to identify Himself or use,” because He of Himself does not have a creature form, but He makes one. Now, in the Logos we’re getting right into some real heavy stuff, but that’s alright.

Now,

…that Jew would’ve never called that Pillar of Fire, “Lord,” unless he knew It was the same Logos that his people followed through the wilderness. See? Now, that was not the Son of man; that was the Logos.

Which is true. It wasn’t human being. It was a living Spirit veiled.

[52]  Now, we say this with reverence, and love, and respect. See? As Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever, and also that in the last days, as it was before Lot’s time, or in Lot’s time in Sodom, so shall it be in the day that the Son of man reveals Himself again, revealing Himself.

Up here he says, “It’s not the Son of man, It’s the Logos.” All right, here He’s telling you right again, It’s the Logos. But he calls It the Son of man. What’s he doing? He’s identifying the very same One, that’s all.

[52]  Now, this last day the Logos that was upon Jesus–which He has [come] from that [which He has come from that, the flesh,] back to the Pillar of Fire again and has descended down on the earth to (I was going to say something, but I watch the tape.)

They wouldn’t believe that if you told them. It wouldn’t make any difference. People wouldn’t believe it, but I’ll omit it –but has come down [Notice, he tells them anyway.] like an investigating judgment goes on. [U.F.O.]

…now, this great Pillar of Fire that’s absolutely identified even by scientific cameras, that’s here on the earth today. There’s the picture of It hanging there. I believe it’s still there, isn’t that right? Is it there? Scientifically proven by the best we got.

George J. Lacy, the head of the FBI for fingerprint and documents, said, “I called it psychology myself, Reverend Branham, but,” said, “the light struck the lens. I put it under ultra ray lights and had an examination here for four or five days. And the light struck the lens. And this lens won’t take psychology.” Now, that’s identified.

[53]  Then watch the works of It. It, [being] among us, proves the same Jesus that once lived in Palestine, the same Spirit [that] was upon Him [here’s what I want to tell you,] has come up through a Body until It’s come back to Headship again, which He’s [Son of man seen in flesh] coming soon to claim the Body. Amen. The Head’s coming to the Body.

Now he said, “Headship was already here with the Head coming.” For what body? Our body’s! That takes a physical, right? Okay, that’s what it’s all about. All right.

You get it? That will be the Son of God, the Son of man, the Son of David, the I AM, the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley, the Morning Star. I am not He; I am His servant. The Pillar of Fire is not He;

Now, he’s talking about Who? The Son of man Jesus Christ.

The Pillar of Fire is not He; It’s in Spirit form, which was upon the Son of man and has come now to anoint sons of men, to bring… [Here’s what I quote, I try to bring the other day.]

Now listen carefully.

…to bring back a ministry just exactly like He said it would be, in order for the Head and the rest of the Body to connect together.

That can’t happen without a Resurrection. So I was paraphrasing the other day when I was preaching and I hit it right on the head, and I didn’t know I was doing it. I got kind of scared, but I always get over my scares when I read the good books.

He said here, “in order to bring the Head and the rest of the Body to connect,” it won’t happen without a Resurrection. So therefore, He is here to anoint sons of God.

Now, that answers your question over here in Ephesians, the… temporary, “you that are already filled as an earnest of your inheritance,” now the last ones are coming in, He’s standing here in order to identify Himself so the Bride will know Her Mate, in order to bring forth the dead.

So Who’s here? The Logos is here. Who is the Logos? God! And He’s here in the form of the Pillar of Fire.

Now listen, let’s find out what Brother Branham said… Oh, I got to keep reading it.

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[80]  …when this Holy Spirit that we have, becomes incarnate to us, the One that’s in our midst now in the form of the Holy Ghost, becomes incarnate to us in the Person of Jesus Christ, we’ll crown Him King of kings… [and Lord of lords and so on.]

And that’s the very thing I was looking at the same thing over here in what I was reading here. He says here,

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[53]  …The Head’s coming to the Body. You get it? That will be the Son of God, the Son of man, the Son of David, the I AM, the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley, the Morning Star…

In other words, God incarnates Himself. Then where is the Logos? The Logos then would be entirely in the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ, the fullness of the Godhead Bodily in the distinct descents of the overwhelming attributes of God.

And the reason I say that in the sense of the distinct overwhelming attributes, is because I don’t know any place where the Bride that’s immortalized ever loses the Holy Spirit.

Maybe you don’t require it from that time on, because you’ve got another life which is perfectly compatible with the divine flow of Almighty God, the complete circle.

Now you follow what I’ve said? I don’t know the answer. I just don’t believe that the Holy Spirit ever left anybody, but I could be wrong. Maybe It’s all gathered back.

It wouldn’t matter, because the life is what counts. And that life flowing as Brother Branham said, “God breathed into Adam the breath of lives, and that life was the Holy Spirit.”

So, it would not be sensible to me in the light of where God illustrates man and woman, and God and Bride, as I’ve been bringing out here. The Father standing amongst the children. The children never become the Father. They’re the attributes of the Father by virtue of the life that was in the Father, which is infinitesimal.

So, it wouldn’t be sensible in my understanding, that there would ever be a time when anyone would ever lose the Holy Spirit as per se, the baptizing influence of the Holy Ghost. But really it would take then the fullness, the Presence with us to go back into that human body.

Now, what was the question?

[Question:] Would you please briefly go over the present relationship between the Logos, the Father and the Son?

All right. My understanding because I’m so thoroughly convinced there is one God period, Who is Spirit. Jesus is not Spirit. “Handle me and see if they are not flesh and bone.” Period. That takes care of Him.

But He is no less the Son of God by virtue of His birth wherein when He told the Israelites, called them what you want, Pharisees, Sadducees, what have you the priests or the intelligentsia, when He said, “God is My Father,” in the literal Greek it means ‘that God was His Father, in a way that He wasn’t anybody else’s Father.’ See? And that’s true, because He was a created Son.

Now, let me tell you what I’m looking at from what Brother Branham said. We don’t have a black-board here and I’m not able to… even with a black-board, to coordinate my thinking, because it’s not in a position to be coordinated.

So I’m very logical and have pretty good powers of synthesis also.

All right,

Now Jehovah Witnesses say that, “Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God. When God created Him, and Jesus turned around and created everything else.”

But the Bible distinctly says, “Nothing was created without Him.” So how could He even create Himself then? Or did He create Himself? Oh that’s quite sensible.

“Beginning of the creation of God,” Brother Branham said, “was God creating Himself in the form of the human flesh.” It’s exactly what he said. That’s in the Church Age Book as well as the sermons. He told me that before he got in the sermons.

Okay now, “And the Word became…” Doesn’t say the Word was made, that’s a mistranslation, the Word became.

Now, as I told you a week ago, Wednesday or so, that that to me is like a metamorphosis; caterpillar becoming a butterfly. Except this is reverse.

Now,

All right. Brother Branham said, “The Logos came out of God.”

Question and Answers 08-23-64

[49]  …Now, that Pillar of Fire is the Logos that went out of God…

Now, I don’t believe that God had a fire inside Him that just suddenly went out. What He’s doing here is determine to manifest Himself, so He will use a creature form which will be perhaps, not perhaps but which will be the most comprehensive and comprehended.

Now, just hold your thought, we go back to what I said the other Wednesday, that when God began to work beyond the environment, and He began to place creatures within the environment, He of necessity had to create that which would be able to apprehend Him.

See, there’s where you get your understanding of the election; foreknowledge, election, predestination. The Bride can never be fooled. See, they got to apprehend Him. There’s no way that He cannot be apprehended.

All right. So we’re saying that God is dealing in such a way with the creatures which are meant to apprehend Him, that He literally forms a mask, or a creature form to… in what form is the best that He can reach them, and they reach Him, and they be transfused by Him whenever that suits the will of Almighty God.

Now, what you’re looking at here, then is this Logos, which is a thought or concept which God will now proceed to bring out here, and He can get into it if He wants to, or just leave it there I suppose.

Brother Branham indicated that when he said, “The Logos as the Light came out of Him and played around the Father’s door like a child.”

I’m still thrown for a loop fifteen miles on that one. I mean, I’m just still groggy. All I got to do is think of that statement, I’m plumb groggy, because to me there’s One God period. And He hasn’t got any sons that are half-God or anything else to me.

I’m sorry. I’ve just got to admit I believe in One God, period. And I know that the Son has got the same Name as the Father has. And I know that you cannot differentiate between the two of Them when it comes to the work and everything that’s being done and all. There’s no way.

They are One in a way that we can’t apprehend, we’ve got to believe it. Anyway, let’s say that this Logos came out of Him now. Remember, the Logos is the thought, or the concept.

Now, according to the Greek, by Molson and those men I guess are pretty smart and I’m not, that literal Logos of expression must contain the thought itself. Now, let’s say I’m an inventor. Now my invention does not contain me except my thinking.

But when you get with God you’re in a different line as Brother Branham said, “God became, the Great God Infinite became so small, He became a sperm and an egg as it were.”

Now we’re talking concerning materialization, not concerning the diminishing. No.

So, the Logos, not Fire this time, but comes down to the virgin Mary as an egg and a sperm. Now that’s in ‘Choosing of a Bride’, wherein most sermons he said, “A blood-cell.” Now it’s by both.

By both in this grounds, that if God wanted to clone, He could clone and it’ll be a male, fully fertile. Normally understand clones don’t come out except females. You can take a female rabbit; use sodium compound of some kind, and she will become pregnant and bare nothing but females. See?

They claim there’s a girl in Frankfurt, women can become pregnant on their own through some traumatic experience. When the said Frankfurt was bombed so horribly, this girl actually gave birth to a little daughter that didn’t have a father. They claim that this is scientifically true.

I’m not arguing the point, I care less. But I’m just saying, if God wanted to clone from a blood-cell, God could do it, because within the blood-cell there’s every single thing there, science has proved it. All right, they need to take the sperm and the egg.

Now, what I’m trying to show you is this, that this is not the Adam that God made in an image, and in a form, this is where somehow the Logos is involved in there that wasn’t involved otherwise.

So you’re not talking of Jesus just as a man, you’re talking of the Lord from heaven. Now, that’s where I leave Him.

Now, God came in because of this uniqueness and completely filled Him. Now, with God completely filling Him, let’s look at the picture. Even the Son of man which is in heaven…

Let me get that.

Now, how did anybody say a thing like that? Same as said today. Got the very same thing. How is it sent? Because, heaven is a dimension. What you’ve got now is as Brother Branham said:

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[50]  When man was made in the image of God… And then God came down in the image of man to redeem man; that brought man and God together. Heavens and earth hugged and kissed each other;

All right, that’s what you see there. God and man, heaven and earth. So, at this end time we’ve got the very same thing. You’ve got Jesus, the body that was raised which is a peculiar body. I showed you that in Hebrews 2.

Okay.

He didn’t take all of it. He took a part of it. What part did He take? He took the chemistry from the body of Mary to give Him the elements of the earth. But the egg and the sperm were not from the earth.

Now there was an element of God there, don’t ask me anything about it, I just believe it and I’m trying to tell you what I believe from what the prophet said, so he took a part of it.

See, that’s why when I said here one time, “Jesus had to be different from other men, or He’d of been tempted Himself.” He would have fallen. Now I know you’d say He wouldn’t.

I disagree with you, I’m going to hold my line on that. I haven’t got any Scripture on that maybe, except right here, He was different. I can tell you, every man falls, I don’t care who he is.

Jesus was different, because right here is different, and no way He was going to fall. Tempted in all points without sin.” No way. Yet the temptation was strong enough to where He could have buckled, except…

Now, when He died, He couldn’t be holden to death because there was no sin in Him. He gave His life. No way could you hold Him. He could have given His life in a carnival show twenty times a day.

Just stop and think of that. No way could you hold Him. Bible says so. All right. God raised Him.

Then He took the body up and set Him at His Own right hand, or as Brother Branham said, “He raised the body as a memorial to the Resurrection behind the Throne like in the midst of the Throne.”

And that ‘midst of the throne’ means a complete thing here.

All right. Now, John himself says concerning this Logos:

Now, even when you saw Jesus you could not say you saw God in the sense of revelation. No way. It takes the same One Who was in Him as Spirit that made Him what He was, to come back to you and tell you the things that you need to know.

Then the same Logos has to come back here in Its fullness and tell the Church what It needs to know. See? Am I getting your question answered? Yeah! What’s the position?

I believe with all my heart as Brother Branham said in, ‘Souls That are in Prison Now’: “Then when He ripped the seals off the Book, He climbed upon the Father’s Throne.”

As it says in,

The One that was on the Throne in Revelation 4:1 is the One that came down. And now Jesus has climbed upon the Throne.

Now, I said, God abdicated. I used that for strong language, but it doesn’t really mean He abdicated, because even the Son of man which is in heaven.

God which is standing right here is in heaven, because it’s a dimension. And He’s ruling just as much now as any place under high heaven. He’s God, He’s in control.

What does it matter whether God’s in… let’s just say for example here in the little town of Quincy, or over here in Columbus, Ohio. It wouldn’t make one bit difference.

Now, what’s the difference about Him being in heaven and Him being here on earth? What He’s doing, He’s tell you what’s happening. See? So we’re at the end-time here. Okay.

Question: Would you briefly, and briefly the Presence between the Logos, the Father…?

I think I told you the best I can. With God as the Logos here, Right?

Now here’s what my thesis is when I’m preaching these sermons, and what I’m telling you from 1 Corinthians 15, is that God is doing a mighty work now that paid Jesus back. It’s debt paying time. Where’s my Bride?

Well I’ll tell you. “I had to let her go into this shape here, because I wouldn’t have all my attributes manifested. And furthermore, you wouldn’t be working for that Bride as high priest to that throne, because Jesus hadn’t stop working yet.” Yes sir, see?

So now the Bride has got to get restored. Something’s got to get done to bring Jesus back. And what’s going to bring Him back is to a virgin Bride. See, because She went hay-wire. Now what’s God doing? He bringing that Bride back.

I want to ask you one question. What did anybody do toward it? Let’s find out what the prophet did.

Now, Mr. Branham, prophet of God, you’re the best one to ask this question of. I already know your answer, I’m going to read it.

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[118]  …Now, I want you to know this is sure. And you that listen to this tape, [that’s ‘The Anointed Ones at the End Time’] you might have thought today that I was trying to say that about myself, being that I was [preaching] packing this Message. I have no more to do with it than nothing…

And he chuckled and down inside, and he said, “Yeah but if it weren’t for me It wouldn’t of come, because you see, I was such a fine little boy.”

Who tried to smoke and God smacked him down? Who was sitting in a straight jacket? You know people make so much of Brother Branham it’s sickening. Why don’t you make a God?

He said, “What’s any man talk about when you’re put in a straight jacket? All I’ve known is a straight jacket,” he said. We’ve had some good talks about that. I was fortunate I could encourage him.

…I have no more to do with it than nothing, no more than just a voice. And my voice, even against my better judgment… I wanted to be a trapper.

(“But,” [he said,] “the best judgment I have was not to be a voice for God, just stand there as a sounding board. You see, I was going to go up and be a stinking old trapper.”) But it’s the will of my Father that I declare to do, and am determined to do.

Now under what condition? Now that’s the one part right there where somebody might say, “Well you see, Brother Branham had to consecrate.”

I know that God said to him, “You’ve got a major portion of heaven waiting, a big reward, because you chose this part, and you chose that part.”

I want to ask you a question: Who gave him the part to choose? Who put the choosing in there? Bible says, “The heart of kings is the hand of God. He Who delivers the water, and he turns whichever way He wants.” See?

Now he said, “I’m determined to do.”

Now, when those Angels came and he consecrated himself. What could he do but say, “Lord I’m here, and I believe those Angels are going to come and whatever You say is fine.”

Now, he said, “Well I’m going to pray and fast five days. I’m not going to go out there, out there where’s that in that mountain out by Tucson, in fact Lord, You may have said, ‘I should be there the 23’, (whatever it was such a date) but I’ll tell You, I got an idea I’ll just pray and fast for two weeks.”

And God said, ” Aw shut up, haven’t you learn anything yet?”

In other words, I’m trying to show you something here. There’s no way anybody is going to tell me at this point, as we have been formerly told, how that we’ve got to do this, and how that we’ve got to do that, and the other thing. If flesh and blood doesn’t reveal it, it takes Almighty God, then you better start there; it’s the same as conception.

“Well,” you say, “I chose my parents.” Phfft! Oh brother. “Well if I’d of been here, I’d of done a better job.” And some of you look sour. You’re the same as mine, sour you. We just killed this thing from the ground up.

Now some of you are nice looking, but that ain’t your fault you just come lucky. My locks and nice hair and everything else. Drop dead.

If God doesn’t come in and get you you’re going to rot in the ground. Your face begins to fall in. You’re going to look nice? Forget it. Ain’t nobody, nothing but God.

All right. Now he tells you that and I’m here to back him up. He’s a prophet and I’m just a mess.

[118]  I wasn’t the One that appeared down on the river; I was only standing there when He appeared. I’m not the One that performs these things and foretells these things that happens as perfect as they are; I’m only one that’s near when He does it.

I was only a voice that He used to say it. It wasn’t what I knew; it’s what I just surrendered myself to, that He spoke through. [Certainly He did. Why did he surrender himself? Was the pressure there, or wasn’t it there? See? Sure.]

…It isn’t me. It wasn’t the seventh Messenger, oh, no; it was a manifestation of the Son of man. It wasn’t the angel, his Message; [talking about himself] it was the mystery that God unfolded. It’s not a man; it’s God.

[119]  The angel was not the Son of man; he was a messenger from the Son of man. [He’s a Messenger from the Son of man.] The Son of man is Christ. He’s the One that you’re feeding on. [Now who got preeminence?] You’re not feeding on a man.

A man, his words will fail, but you’re feeding on the unfailing Body-Word [That tells you what the Body of Jesus is today, the Word.] of the Son of man.

So when the Son of man was revealed it was only because the Word completely exegeted him.

So, that’s the best I can answer your question. I’ve been talking this way for quite some time, I haven’t hit some of the things I did tonight on purpose trying to bring down the accuracy of Brother Branham’s statement of where the Logos Itself begin to transform Itself.

So look it brother/sister, let’s face it: what can the Logos do except what’s in the Logos? And if the Logos doesn’t do it, then nothing’s going to be done. So it’s got to be a manifestation, no matter how you look at it.

Now let’s look at Scripture. The Scripture doesn’t say that Jesus was God per se, as that Person, as the great High Priest of this hour. What does It say that He was?

It says, “Being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person.” Now the image is not the Person. You see? Because God cannot be born.

“That holy thing born of thee shall be called the Son of God,” and they could kill Him. Of course God had to let them kill Him.

Then It says, “Upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

Then it associates here the expressed image with Godhead Itself. That’s why Brother Branham said, “He can only be a Father by being the Son.”

“Then He that has seen the Son has seen the Father.” See?

Now, I know that… now see that was perfectly clear what I said. And maybe it’s not clear to you. But that’s the best I can say it. It’s the best I know Brother Branham said it, and that’s just all I can do.

Now if I’ve answered your questions wrong, like as Brother Branham said, I’m sorry. He had so much more on the ball then I had, because he could go to God and get the right answer and come back and tell you.

Now if I’ve given you the wrong answer which by the grace of God I hope I have not. I don’t believe that I have, but if there’s anything in here that’s little error, you well know how I minister, and that is that I do my best to go with what I see.

And when I see more I come back and tell you, and if there’s a little margin of error and I say, hey, that belongs over here, not over there I tell you. That’s all I can do. But I’ve done my best on every one of these questions.

Now remember, it’s not ‘thus saith the Lord’. It’s my thinking as I understand Brother Branham’s Message and this Scripture here, and you know what I’m saying.

So, the Lord bless you.

[Brother Vayle make some local announcements]

Now, Heavenly Father we do thank and praise you for your goodness and mercy to us. The love of God which has been manifested to us for which we’re are entirely grateful.

And all these things, Lord, which you give us the help to work out, and we do thank You Lord above all for Your Presence, and if the building were to burn down we’d still have You.

We could meet in a tent, we could meet in a lot. That’s not the point, Lord, and I believe You put in our hearts to understand, and help us to know the difference between building what’s right and what isn’t right and how far to go, and how far not to go.

But we believe Lord at this time it’s alright to have a place that’s half way decent, not spectacular and the people, Lord, to be at ease in it and comfortable with themselves, with each other.

And these things which mean a little bit, not something too big, but Lord, I know that these people do believe that the greatest of all, they believe the prophet who said, “That’s the revelation of the hour, that the gates of hell was against it, the revelation of the spiritual revelation that He is here now.” And He’s the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

Then I’m so happy, Lord, that You showed us this, and You show us these things, Lord, that means so much. It does so much to our faith, Lord, I speak for all of us together Lord, when I think about myself, because we are one.

It’s done so much for me personally, and I can’t believe, Lord, that it hasn’t done the same for the others. I simply cannot believe, and I will not accept that it hasn’t done the same. There is no way I can believe, Lord God, that it hasn’t done the same.

Done something, Lord, the enrichment, the enlivening, the reality of It, so that there’s something happened and going on in our pervasiveness, Lord, and a strength. And I know it, Lord, and I thank You for it.

I can’t tell the people, Lord, because there’s no words, I wouldn’t know what to tell them if I did have the words.

But I know it, Lord, down deep in there where we’re coming closer to the whole thing going over. The squeeze, the oppression, all these things coming on, Lord, but what does it matter? You’re here. We’re here.

If Israel had only realized You’re here now, they could have gone right over. It would not have been difficult. They would just of had a vision of the land ahead, but they turned it down. Because they turned down the One that was with them to take them ahead.

Now, Lord, that was a big thing that was so bad, they went down and they began peering around, Balaam and Balaak going down to Baal Peor. Naughty thing to do, but Lord, there’s a Bride at the end-time that’s not going to do that.

Blessed be the Name of our God that dwells amongst us, by the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, in Whom is heaven and earth and all of these, and He is here tonight. And I believe it, Lord, King of heaven and King of earth.

Sovereign reining God at this time, and all things in His hands and control, and all things coming under subjection. Turning hearts and minds, and all these spiritual instincts into reality O God, I believe that tonight.

Know it, Lord God, from the bottom of my heart. And I thank You for it, Lord, to make a person scream, like the eagle screaming out, O God.

Like the prophet stood there, listening to chatter, chatter, chatter, but suddenly the Scream came. Then he screamed and ran around the tree Lord. We feel the same thing, O God, in our lesser instincts spiritual Lord Jesus Christ.

Now we thank You for a people, Lord, that can hear the Word and love It, and hang on to It, O God, and go on.

Bless them, O God, we pray with the dew of heaven, the fatness of the Oil of the Word of Almighty God; the Wine of consecration and revelation to stimulate, Lord Jesus Christ.

I pray that You will. I believe You will, O God. I believe that You’re doing it and I thank You for it Lord.

Now, go with us as we go in our dismissal here, Lord God of heaven. We pray that You’ll encourage each one of us in whatever we’re going to do, let it be with the knowledge of our oneness with each other, and with Thee Lord, and our oneness with each other because of Thee.

And such a oneness as could never be manifested except when the Son was here, and a oneness which couldn’t be unless You were here, because You were in the Son; now in that Bride standing here, how tremendous it is.

We just believe it Lord tonight and we stand on it and thank You for it and love You for it, we praise You for it in the Name of Jesus Christ Thy Savior. Amen.